in the speed, different in the breadth and depth, and it’s not really about
industry only. It’s much broader.”- Prof Ian Goldin on how the fourth industrial
revolution is different from the previous three.
The theme at this year’s Asia-Pacific Association for
International Education (APAIE) Conference
was ‘The Impact of the Fourth Industrial Revolution on Higher Education in
the Asia Pacific’.
During the First Industrial Revolution in the 18th
and 19th centuries steam power was used to mechanise production. The
Second used electricity to enable mass production. The Third was about the use
of electronics and information technology to automate production. Each of these
caused massive disruptions. Still it seems somehow different this time.
The Fourth Industrial Revolution is characterised
by a range of new technologies that are fusing the physical, digital and
biological worlds, impacting all disciplines, economies and industries, and
challenging ideas about what it means to be human.
OpenGov had the opportunity to speak to Professor Ian Goldin, Professor
of Globalisation and Development, University of Oxford, about the fourth
industrial revolution and how we might benefit from the opportunities, while
mitigating the risks.
We asked Prof Goldin about the fourth industrial revolution
is different from the previous three.
He replied, “I think this is very different. I think about
it as a new renaissance in many ways, not just an industrial revolution. It’s
different in the speed, different in the breadth and depth, and it’s not really
about industry only. It’s much broader.”
Prof Goldin explained the comparison of the fourth
industrial revolution with the Renaissance saying that both are information
Previous industrial revolutions were very slow in their
global spread. There are still parts of the world that haven’t been touched by
the first industrial revolution. There are parts of Africa or Asia where people
are still pulling handmade ploughs behind oxen. But now they have a mobile
phone in their hands, that’s the difference.
The spread this time is very rapid and it’s not limited to
industry. If we look at technologies like artificial intelligence (AI) and
genomics, their impact goes way beyond industry, Prof Goldin said. They affect
every aspect of society.
The previous three previous industrial revolutions created
more jobs, which were also higher quality and cleaner jobs. So, although they
were extremely disruptive they ultimately led to improvements in human society.
The ultimate outcome was positive.
“The jury is still out and will be out on this one because
the number of jobs that exist afterwards will be much smaller. And the quality
might not be higher. Because they might become like more gig workers say, less
career jobs, less skilled in some respects,” Prof Golding said.
This means that the social reaction could be significantly
bigger than the previous revolutions. Moreover, different countries will have
different attitudes to the developments. Some will embrace it and move very
quickly. Some will reject it and go much slower, resulting in dramatic
differences in the speed of change in different places.
Prof Goldin said that if we have to ensure that we benefit
from the opportunities afforded by Industry 4.0, we have to develop education
systems which train students to keep learning.
“Not learning things by heart. But rather learning to learn.
The curiosity and the learning ability is very very important,” he said. And
this has to start from a very young age, at kindergarten level or even before.
We should also focus on areas, such as creative skills,
caring skills, empathy, that machines are not very competent at, at least for
But what happens to older people who are replaced by
technology and lose their jobs and then are unable to acquire a new skill set.
Prof Goldin said, “The question of what you do, when people
don’t have it in their 30s, 40s, 50s, is a difficult one. Because the older you
get the harder it is to change in a way.”
Prof Goldin thinks that the resistance to change is partly
about a desire for security. So, giving people the assurance that they don’t
have to lose what’s important to them, like values, culture, identity, would be
important in creating openness to technology among older generations. Because
adoption of technology does not have to be a trade-off. In fact, it creates new
We had another follow-up question for Prof Goldin with
regards to education. There’s talk of the need for interdisciplinary work to address
complex multifaceted challenges. But over the past century, there has been a
trend towards increasing hyper-specialisation. So, should there be a move
towards multi-disciplinary education? Does lack of communication between disciplines hinder innovation and the ability to see the big picture?
“If you want to advance a field, you have to understand it
in great detail. You have to know what everyone else knows and more. And that
requires more and more specialisation because the amount of knowledge is
growing all the time. So, it’s impossible for any one person to master many,
many fields. There are some people, true geniuses. But they are truly
exceptional people. Most of us are lucky if we can master one field,” Prof
The solution might be to achieve a T- shape in an
individual’s knowledge structure – combining very deep learning, with a very
broad set of interests and abilities. Today resources (Youtube videos, blogs,
discussion forums and networks, books) are available to cultivate curiosity and
acquire knowledge in many different fields, even though you might be an expert
in one field.
“If you only do one, you are not going to be a very useful
member of society in terms of being able to engage on important issues facing
the world and your community.”
Understanding the societal impact and spillover effects of technology
The next important area is to understand the relations
between technological change and social values.
Prof Goldin elaborated, “What do we want? Do we want
enhanced humans? Do we want growing inequality? What is the ethical and other
basis for the use of technologies.”
Prof Goldin also pointed to the spillover effects, such that
the technologies are having bigger impact on each other and on the planet. We
have to be responsible with regards to that and the choices we make. It also
needs to be recognised that the market is only one aspect of choice, an
important one, but not the only one. We might also need to accept restraints on
“What we do, how much energy we consume, how much tuna we
eat. All of these things will have spillovers. My sense is that we are going to
need to have a combination of a knowledge of more technology, more ethics and
more flexibility because we are going to have to keep changing,” Prof Goldin
But are societies prepared to accept those restraints on
freedom, we asked Prof Goldin.
In response, he brought up the example of Singapore, where
people are willing to accept restrictions because they understand that those
are required for progress at the pace and scale which Singapore has experienced
and is still undergoing.
“I think my own sense, is that in many Asian countries there
is a deeper understanding of the limits of the market and of the role of state,
than there is in say the US or even in England, where the market is much
supreme and where restrictions particularly in the US on freedom, even on
something which seems to me to be pretty obvious, like guns, people regard as
unacceptable,” Prof Goldin said.
In Asia, the role of the active state in building the
hardware and the software for the future, the infrastructure, the roads, the
education, etc. is more widely accepted.
And he believes that this acceptance of the balance between
market and state in society is one of the reasons because of which Asia will experience
higher rates of growth.
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